God is Greater than the Holy Spirit?

 

Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

As we all know Trinitarian Christians believe that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God.

 

One verse that we Muslims have shown to debunk the notion that Jesus is God is that of John 10:29 which reads as follows:

 

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

 

So as you can see Jesus states the Father is greater than all. Now this verse proves Jesus is not God since how can he be God if the Father is greater than him? The obvious answer is that he can’t. Since Christians know this is a problem they have come up with a nice answer saying that yes the Father is greater than the MAN Jesus, and not the divine Jesus.

 

This is a very nice answer with one major problem, Jesus never said anything about having a man and divine nature, Christians invented such a doctrine up to get rid of such problems! When Jesus is ignorant, they say it’s the man Jesus, when he prays; it’s the man Jesus and so on. Yet I repeat Jesus never said I have dual natures, this is a fabricated doctrine.

 

Now having said all that, what about the Holy Spirit? Notice the passage says that the Father is greater than ALL, this must include the Holy Spirit. Now unlike Jesus the Holy Spirit never supposedly took on a man nature and gave up on it’s divine nature, the Holy Spirit always remained as it is.

 

So therefore we have a clear verse that now states that the Father is GREATER than the Holy Spirit, and I ask how can that be if the Holy Spirit is God? The answer is simple, it can’t! The fact is is that the Holy Spirit is NOT God which is why the Father is greater than it, and the same goes for Jesus.

 

Neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are God which is precisely why the Father is greater than both of them, and why both of them are never called greater than the Father.

 

No Trinity I’m afraid.

 

And Allah Knows Best!

Jesus said:”I and My Father are One”..Why do Christians quote this verse?

By Sami Zaatari

Often when debates come up with Christians on the divinity of Christ, the passage from chapter ten in the book of John comes up; this passage is verse 30, which basically reads:

 

30 I and my Father are one

 Now I don’t understand why many Christians would quote this verse, specifically Trinitarians, because what does this verse prove? Trinitarians do not believe Jesus is the Father, so why do they quote it? Are they quoting it to try and show that Jesus is equal to the Father? Well that isn’t true, since the Gospel of John shows the opposite, in fact if we quote one verse back we read:

 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

This is verse 29, it comes right before verse 30, and in verse 29 Jesus says the Father is greater than ALL, this obviously includes Jesus since he is not the Father. So therefore how Christians try and assume that this verse shows equality between Jesus and the Father is beyond me.

 In fact this is not the first time that Jesus says the Father is greater than him, he does it again later:

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

So here we once again have Jesus claiming the Father is greater than him, so how is Jesus equal to the Father when Jesus says the contrary? Now Christians have come up with a way of trying to explain this verse off, they say that Jesus was talking as a man here, that as a man the Father is greater than him, they try and say that the Father meant he is greater than Jesus in rank and authority and not in essence.

However so what did Jesus mean in John 10 when Jesus said the Father is greater than ALL? Jesus placed himself in the category of ALL people, so therefore the Christian response will not work for John 10:29. It must be said though that the Christian response does not work for John chapter 14:28 neither, because the Christian argues from silence and is arguing something they have yet to prove. Christians cannot prove that Jesus has 2 natures, they can never get a single quote from the lips of Jesus saying I am man and Divine, that I have 2 natures and I gave one up and took on the man nature, this is non-existent, so therefore the response is from silence provided with no proof or a solid basis.

 1-The fact is that the Bible shows that the Father is greater than Jesus in essence, the Father is all-knowing and Jesus is not.

 2-The Father gives Jesus everything from miracle to doctrine.

 3-Jesus begs the Father to save him, obviously showing that life and death is controlled by the Father and NOT Jesus. 

 For all these arguments the Christian will say as man Jesus is not all-knowing, as man Jesus receives things from the Father, however so I will kindly ask the Christian bring this proof from the words of Jesus, they shall never be able to do it, this doctrine is an invention and not something to be found from Jesus.

So therefore in conclusion, John 10:30 proves nothing in support of the divinity of Jesus, it does not show equality, since Jesus made it clear that the Father is greater than him, so therefore Jesus is not equal with the Father.

And Jesus was a prophet of God and Allah knows Best!