God is Greater than the Holy Spirit?

 

Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

As we all know Trinitarian Christians believe that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God.

 

One verse that we Muslims have shown to debunk the notion that Jesus is God is that of John 10:29 which reads as follows:

 

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

 

So as you can see Jesus states the Father is greater than all. Now this verse proves Jesus is not God since how can he be God if the Father is greater than him? The obvious answer is that he can’t. Since Christians know this is a problem they have come up with a nice answer saying that yes the Father is greater than the MAN Jesus, and not the divine Jesus.

 

This is a very nice answer with one major problem, Jesus never said anything about having a man and divine nature, Christians invented such a doctrine up to get rid of such problems! When Jesus is ignorant, they say it’s the man Jesus, when he prays; it’s the man Jesus and so on. Yet I repeat Jesus never said I have dual natures, this is a fabricated doctrine.

 

Now having said all that, what about the Holy Spirit? Notice the passage says that the Father is greater than ALL, this must include the Holy Spirit. Now unlike Jesus the Holy Spirit never supposedly took on a man nature and gave up on it’s divine nature, the Holy Spirit always remained as it is.

 

So therefore we have a clear verse that now states that the Father is GREATER than the Holy Spirit, and I ask how can that be if the Holy Spirit is God? The answer is simple, it can’t! The fact is is that the Holy Spirit is NOT God which is why the Father is greater than it, and the same goes for Jesus.

 

Neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are God which is precisely why the Father is greater than both of them, and why both of them are never called greater than the Father.

 

No Trinity I’m afraid.

 

And Allah Knows Best!

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2 Responses to “God is Greater than the Holy Spirit?”

  1. thefuerstshallbelast Says:

    No orthodox Christian has EVER argued that Jesus has dual natures….EVER. So, I’m sorry, but you’re completely off base here.

    Second, that the Father is greater is also not a problem for Trinitarian theology, rightly understood. And the fact that you think it is tells me that you really don’t understand what Christians mean by the ‘trinity.’

    You repeatedly make these issues out to be ‘easier’ to debunk than they really are. I’ve come on this page 4 or 5 times now to engage you in discussions, but you have not replied a single time. Why? Is it b/c it’s easier to throw up paper-tigers and call that ‘Christianity’?

    I am trying to be respectful of your beliefs, but you continually characterize mine. You’re doing the very thing you previously accused Christians of in your previous post on Muhammad and accusations of child molestation.

    No genuine dialogue can occur if you neither reply to my comments, nor take my rebuttals seriously.

  2. thefuerstshallbelast Says:

    After reading back through my comment, I think it comes off a little more ‘harsh’ than I intended. I apologize if that is the case.

    I just strongly feel that if we are going to get anywhere in these inter-faith discussions, we need to stop reacting to the jerks out there who characterize different religious faiths, and start dealing with what the religion actually teaches. In other words, we need to stop using paper-tiger arguments, and start wrestling with the difficulties of these matters – they are much more complex then I believe we often give them credit for.

    Again, I apologize if that initial comment sounded harsh. It really wasn’t intended to be – I just get so passionate sometimes (as my wife likes to say) and I don’t really think about how I ‘sound.’

    Cheers to you,
    Tom


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