My Lord and My God !!

Sami Zaatari

One of the most common passages that Trinitarians use in trying to prove that Jesus was God, comes from John 20:28, And in this passage the disciple Thomas supposedly says the following:

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God (John 20:28)

So from this passage Christians conclude that Jesus must be God because Thomas called Jesus his Lord and God. On top of this they assert that the immediate context following John 20:28 shows that Jesus did not rebuke Thomas for his confession, rather Jesus accepted the confession, and blessed Thomas. From this they reason that if Jesus was not God, then he would have rebuked Thomas and corrected, however so he did no such thing therefore they assert that Jesus must be God.

For starters anyone who reads the Gospels in context will see that they clearly show that Jesus was not God, rather he was a prophet, and a Messiah. Furthermore on top of this, nowhere in the Gospels do any believers take Jesus as God, rather the believers always take Jesus to be a prophet, and Messiah.

So with all of that said let us now turn our attention to John 20:28, for the sake of convenience I re-quote the passage:

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God (John 20:28)

As you all know, the Gospel of John was written in Greek, and when one consults the Greek language one will notice that the words for Lord and God are called KYRIOS and THEOS. So here is the passage quoted again, only this time the actual Greek words are placed in brackets right beside the English translation, and we read:

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord (KYRIOS) and my God (GOD)

 (John 20:28)

So doubting Thomas calls Jesus his KYRIOS and THEOS. Now if anyone has studied the New Testament, as well as the Septuagint, which is basically the Greek version of the Jewish Bible, then one will find out that these exact words are not exclusive for God alone, and that these two terms are applied to many men.

Strong’s own Greek lexicon defines the Word KYRIOS as follows:

is a title of honor expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master

So one of the definitions of the term KYRIOS is a title of honor and respect, specifically a title of honor and respect given to a master by the servant. As we all know Jesus was a leader, he was the Messiah, a prophet, a judge, and the leader of his 12 disciples. Hence it would be no surprise for one of his disciple to call him KYRIOS, in fact this is what we would expect, and this indeed what we get.

So the fact is this, the term KYRIOS is not an exclusive Greek word to identify the almighty God. Furthermore as I said above, the term KYRIOS is used of other men besides Jesus, hence are we going to now claim that all of those who are called Lord must be God? Of course not.

Now let us move on to the word THEOS, Strong’s lexicon translates the word THEOS a follows:

-God’s representatives or vice-regents

-Magistrates and Judges

So again even the term THEOS does not exclusively have to refer to the almighty God, rather God’s representatives can also be called THEOS, and the same applies for judges and magistrates. As we all know Jesus was God’s representative, he was God’s prophet, as well as his Messiah, so indeed Jesus was God’s representative, and in that sense one can call Jesus a THEOS.

So the fact is this, Thomas calling Jesus his KYRIOS and THEOS in no absolute way means he was calling Jesus his almighty God.

Throughout the Gospels Jesus always identifies himself as a prophet, a messiah, and the Son of God. Each one of these titles do not denote divinity, hence we can confidently say that when Jesus was called KYRIOS and THEOS it was not a reference to any divinity, but a reference to his honorable position as a leader, and as a prophet.

Moving on, if one reads the Greek Bible one will learn that many people are called THEOS, the devil himself is called THEOS in 2nd Corinthians 4:4, we read:

In whom the god (THEOS) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

So the devil himself is called THEOS, should we all bow and worship Satan now? Obviously not! On top of this Moses himself is called a THEOS, and so are the Jewish judges found in the book of Psalms. Yet nobody is going to claim that these people are the almighty true God, and that we should start worshiping them!

So the simple fact is this, in no shape or form is Jesus the almighty God for being called KYRIOS and THEOS. We know from the context of the four Gospels that in no way do these terms refer to a divinity; rather they refer to his prophet hood, and him being The Messiah.

And Allah Truly Knows Best!

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4 Responses to “My Lord and My God !!”

  1. chiam Says:

    Nora,
    Jesus is explicitly called God in John (1:1; 20:28) and implicitly (John 1:3; 1:10; 5:17-ff; 8:58-ff; 10:30-ff).
    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In John 1:1-18 we find at least six foundational truths about the identity of Jesus Christ.
    The true identity of the Word (the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God) is established by his eternality (1:1a). Jesus claimed to have been pre-existent in heaven with glory before His incarnation (Jn 6.33,6.38-39, 62; 8.23; 8.42; 57-59; 16.28; *17.5). In John 17:5 Jesus said, “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” One has said, “Just as His death was not the end of Him, His birth was not the beginning of Him.” D.A. Carson says John is saying in effect, “Mark has told you about the beginning of Jesus’ public ministry; I want to show you that the starting point of the gospel can be traced farther back than that, before the beginning of the entire universe.” Carson, The Gospel According to John (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans; Leicester: Inter-Varsity Press, 1991), 114.
    The true identity of the WORD (the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God) is established by his unique relationship with God—the Father (1B). John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (the Father), and the Word was God (Deity). The majority of the time when the word “God” is used it is speaking of the Father: John 6:27 “Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.“ John 6:32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. 6:33 “For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.” Check out the following as well (John 5:42,44; 6:27-33; 8:41, 42, 44, 54; Col. 3:17; 1 Tim. 1:2). 1 Pet 1:1 “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.”
    The true identity of the WORD (the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God) is established by his ETERNAL DEITY (1C) John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Here the Word is declared to be God. There are other verses as well:
    • John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
    •Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus
    •Romans 9:5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
    •Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
    •2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
    The true identity of Jesus Christ is established by his CREATORSHIP (1:3). This is huge! John 1:3 “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.” In Colossians Paul wrote concerning Jesus, “ For by Him all things were created, {both} in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things have been created through Him and for Him” (Col. 1:16).
    So I think that what we read in John 20:28 stands as a verse that declares the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    I have been a Christian now for twenty years and this truth was the most amazing truth I had ever heard then and it still is today. Jesus Christ is the second person of the Trinity and he stepped in to space and time to take upon flesh (John 1:14) so that through his bodily death(atonement)–I could stand before him holy and blameless (Col. 1:22).

  2. Nora's Sensation Says:

    Chiam,
    What does Jesus say?!
    -John (14:28) You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, FOR THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

    He says again :
    -John (10:29) “MY FATHER, who has given them to me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.”

    He continues:
    -John (5:30-32) BY MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

    -John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine IS NOT MINE, but his that SENT me.

    -He says in John (14:24) “Whoever does not love me does not keep my words; yet the word you hear IS NOT MINE but that of the Father who sent me.”

    -Mark 24: 32-36: “36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father ONLY”
    -John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the father had GIVEN all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

    So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracle, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracle. He never taught anything of his own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak.
    …etc

    What are you quoting? You are quoting Hebrews, Philippians, Colossians, Galatians, Timothy, Ephesians,?! Who are they ?! are they Jesus?!! It’s Paul, Paul, Paul…

    I want to know what my master Jesus said?! So I could follow him, but I want to know what he said, NOT Paul but my master Jesus, so give me his words.

    My salvation doesn’t depend on people’s interpretations, I want to know what the master says?!

    And what Jesus says is the truth, maybe you understand it differently.

    So did Jesus say “I’m God”, or “worship me” in simple English ?! the answer is NO, Not even once , Is this a coincidence?! I don’t think so.

    Let us hear the humility of Jesus peace and blessing upon him in Mark 10:
    17 GOOD Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
    18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT ONE, that is, GOD.
    So Jesus refuses to even call him good !! so how can you call him GOD?!

    This is quality of goodness, I might say to someone “you’re a very good man”, then he/she will say out of humility “no, please I’m not good, I have a lot of shortcomings”.

    BUT if Jesus was GOD, this is hypocrisy, because GOD is good !! so if he is God, so he must accept that and say “yes, I’m good because only GOD is good”

    But as a man he has the right to say “no, why you calling me good?! Because the real goodness is only in GOD, and he’s all good”

    So by his ‘own words’ he’s disclaiming any kind of divinity.

    And God knows best,
    God may bless you

  3. Macini Says:

    Jesus if he did not say “adore me” because no one loves a human and he did not ask. When Christians say that Jesus is God that means is that its nature is divine, nothing else. We love not a body, but the essence that is in him, a spirit that is common to the Father.

    His actions and words is his father that he dictated and both are 1 (these are his words).

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2The same was in the beginning with God.
    3All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.
    4In Him was life, and that life was the Light of men.

    14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only Begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.

    Only God is God and for us Gos is in Jesus (The Word/The Verb).

    Peace my brothers, Christians and Muslims.

  4. Macini Says:

    Flesh worship (adore one human) is not worship God, worship the divine essence of Jesus is to worship God.


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