Because Jesus performed miracles?!

Well then, is Jesus the son of God because he raised the dead? If so, then what about Ezekiel who is said to have raised many more dead bodies than Jesus ever did. Ezekiel is said to have raised a whole city from the dead (Ezekiel 37:1-9)

If we are looking for Godly powers and miracles as proof of godliness then what about Joshua who is said to have stopped the sun and moon for one whole day: (Joshua 10:12-13). Can anyone but God Almighty do this?

Elisha is said to have raised the dead, resurrected himself, healed a leper, fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn, and healed a blind man: (2 Kings 4:35, 13:21, 5:14, 4:44, and 6:11.)

Elijah is said to have raised the dead, and made a bowl of flour and a jar of oil inexhaustible for many days (1 Kings 17:22 and 14.)

To say nothing of Moses (pbuh) and his countless miracles. Of his parting of the sea, of his changing of a stick into a serpent, of his changing of water into blood, ..etc.

And so forth……

Even Jesus (pbuh) himself tells us that miracles by themselves do not prove anything:

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect”

Matthew 24:24

So even false Christs can supply great wonders and miracles of such magnitude that even the most knowledgeable among men shall be deceived.

Jesus (pbuh) had a beginning (the begetting) and an end (“and he gave up the ghost”) Melchizedec, however, is said to have had no beginning of days nor end of life but was “made like unto the Son of God” !.

“For this Melchizedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.”

Hebrews 7:1-4

Solomon is said to have been with God at the beginning of time before all of creation, Proverbs 8:22-31.

Well then, is Jesus (pbuh) god because he performed his miracles under his own power while others needed God to perform them for them? Let us then read:

  1. Matthew 28:18 “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
  2. Luke 11:20: “But if I with the finger of God cast out devils.”
  3. Matthew 12:28 “But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God.”
  4. John 5:30: “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
  5. John 10:25: “the works that I do in my Father’s name.”
  6. John 8:28-29 “…I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.”
  7. Acts 2:22 “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know”

So we see that even the apostle of Jesus (pbuh), Peter “the Rock,”* bore witness many years after the departure of Jesus not that Jesus was “God, the Son of God, who did miracles through his Omnipotence,” rather, he openly bore witness before all those present that Jesus was “a man.” He then went on to make sure that the masses would not be mislead by Jesus’ miracles into thinking that he was more than a man by emphasizing that it was not Jesus who did the miracles, rather, just as was the case with countless other prophets before him, it was God Himself who did these miracles and that God’s prophets are simply the tools through which He performed His miracles. In other words, the point that Peter was trying to drive home to these people was for them to remember that just as Moses’ parting of the seas did not make him God or the son of God, and just as Elisha’s raising of the dead did not make him God or the son of God, so too was the case with Jesus.

What was the goal behind the performance of these miracles? Let us read John 11:42 where we find that just before Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, he made a point of making sure that the crowd would not misunderstand what he was about to do or why he did it, so he publicly stated before God while they were listening that, just as was the case with all previous prophets, the reason why he was given these miracles was in order to prove that God had sent Him and he was a true prophet:

“And I knew that Thou hearest me always; but because of the people standing around I said it, that they may believe that Thou didst send Me.”.

John 11:42

 

and God knows best…

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5 Responses to “Because Jesus performed miracles?!”

  1. cindyinsd Says:

    Dear Nora,

    I will agree that others besides Jesus of Nazareth did perform miracles and that Jesus Himself (He is the King of Peace) also performed miracles by the power of God the Father given to Him by the infilling of the Holy Spirit, which was provided to Him without measure.

    Joh 3:34 For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for it is not by measure that he gives the Spirit;
    Joh 3:35 the Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand.
    Joh 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.

    So yes, the Father gave the Spirit to the Son without measure–that is, in an unlimited fashion so that Jesus performed miracles at will, and that with the power of the Father, as He (Jesus) had emptied Himself of His divine glory when He humbled Himself and came to live among us as a man.

    Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
    Php 2:7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
    Php 2:8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
    Php 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name,
    Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    Php 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Yet the one miracle which none of the others either before or since Jesus had performed was performed for the Son of God when God raised Him from the dead, incorruptible and never to experience death again. Enoch walked with God and was not, for God took him, and Elijah went up in a fiery chariot, but Jesus died for the sins of the world and yet was raised from the dead, glorified, and ascended into Heaven, then sat down at the right hand of God the Father and so evermore lives to make intercession for us (the church).

    (You are misinterpreting the 2 Kings 13:21 passage–it was the man being buried, not Elisha, who was raised from death in this story.)

    Regarding Hebrews 7, read the rest of the chapter. The whole point of this passage is to point out that Jesus is priest forever after the order of Melchizedec, who himself, mysterious figure that he is, is most likely a preincarnate manifestation of the Christ, Jesus.

    Proverbs 8 is a poetic personification of “Wisdom,” who most likely is a type and symbol of either the Holy Spirit or of Jesus Himself. It does not speak of Solomon personally, who, as a prophetic voice, spoke under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

    Peter liked to make the point that Jesus is a man (as did Jesus Himself) because, as Adam sinned, Adam’s race must pay for the sin–thus only because Jesus did truly become a man, the Son of Mary, conceived immaculately and supernaturally within her by the Holy Spirit, was He eligible to pay the penalty of sin for all those who call on His Name. Nevertheless, Peter well knew Who Jesus was and is:

    Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
    Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.
    Mat 16:15 He said to them, But who do you say that I am?
    Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

    To make certain that you and your readers understand precisely how the disciples saw Jesus and how Jesus saw Himself, here are a few more verses affirming Jesus’ divinity and descent from God the Father. I will give them by themselves, but do look them up and read them in context. They are even more emphatic in their true surroundings.

    Mat 14:33 Then those in the boat worshiped Him and said, “Truly You are the Son of God!”

    Mat 26:63 But Jesus kept silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “By the living God I place You under oath: tell us if You are the Messiah, the Son of God!”
    Mat 26:64 “You have said it,” Jesus told him. “But I tell you, in the future you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    Mat 27:54 When the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they were terrified and said, “This man really was God’s Son!”

    Joh 1:49 “Rabbi,” Nathanael replied, “You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!”

    Joh 11:27 “Yes, Lord,” she told Him, “I believe You are the Messiah, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.”

    Joh 20:31 But these are written so that you may believe Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and by believing you may have life in His name.

    Act 9:20 Immediately he (Paul) began proclaiming Jesus in the synagogues: “He is the Son of God.”

    Rom 1:1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle and singled out for God’s good news–
    Rom 1:2 which He promised long ago through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures–
    Rom 1:3 concerning His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh
    Rom 1:4 and was established as the powerful Son of God by the resurrection from the dead according to the Spirit of holiness.

    Heb 1:2 In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things and through whom He made the universe.
    Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of His glory, the exact expression of His nature, and He sustains all things by His powerful word. After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
    Heb 1:4 So He became higher in rank than the angels, just as the name He inherited is superior to theirs.
    Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, You are My Son; today I have become Your Father, or again, I will be His Father, and He will be My Son?
    Heb 1:6 When He again brings His firstborn into the world, He says, And all God’s angels must worship Him.
    Heb 1:7 And about the angels He says: He makes His angels winds, and His servants a fiery flame;
    Heb 1:8 but about the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.
    Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You, rather than Your companions, with the oil of joy.
    Heb 1:10 And: In the beginning, Lord, You established the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands;
    Heb 1:11 they will perish, but You remain. They will all wear out like clothing;
    Heb 1:12 You will roll them up like a cloak, and they will be changed like a robe. But You are the same, and Your years will never end.

    As you can see, the New Testament (and also the Old Testament) proclaim Jesus to be the Christ and Messiah, the Son of God. Since you have used selected and dismembered passages from New and Old Testaments–the Christian and Jewish Scriptures, to dispute the divinity of Jesus, I have used the same in disproving your thesis, though I know you do not accept these scriptures as holy or inspired or pure. Were you speaking as a Muslim, I wouldn’t even answer your post, but since you are trying to lure weak-minded Christians into your religion by quoting our own Scriptures out of context and twisting their meaning, I can’t help but speak, if you choose to post my response.

    Muslims certainly disagree with my points, and without proof or cause or historical reference dispute the integrity with which the New Testament has been copied and passed down to the church. The Koran indisputably was revised and butchered by many historical figures for their own political purposes and even if this were not the case, the Koran does itself make reference to the Book (the Christian and Jewish Scriptures), which your Prophet stated should validate the Koran, but which do not in fact do so.

    I urge you to read the entire New Testament and see for yourself what it really says (as I have read the Koran). Then, you will be better equipped to lead Christians into Islam. These fragmented scriptures will convince only the very weak and the very young . . . the very ones God (YHWH) is most diligent in protecting.

    May YHWH bless you and open your eyes to His true nature,

    Cindy

  2. Nora's Sensation Says:

    Dear Cindy,
    Jesus is not a God but a messenger sent from God to warn his people, and to worship God Almighty ALONE, as the all the prophets did..

    all the verses you posted show that Jesus is not a God but a son of God..and son of God doesn’t mean God at all..

    Main Entry: son of God
    1 often capitalized S : a superhuman or divine being (as an angel)
    2 capitalized S : MESSIAH 1
    3 : a person established in the love of God by divine promise

    http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=son+of+God

    Now note, none of the definitions of the son of God or Son of God with a capital S show that being a son of God makes you God. Christians may try to say being superhuman and divine makes you God, well not really since the dictionary puts as an angel in bracket marks. It would have been very easy for the dictionary to simply say that Son of God equals God, the fact they did not put this in also shows that they do not believe the Son of God makes you God, and they are getting their meanings from the Bible not their own heads. So according to the definition, a superhuman or divine being is like an angel, not God.

    Many people before Jesus were called “Sons of GOD” in the Bible. Let us look at few of them:
    1- Exodus 4:22 “Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.” Israel was GOD’s Son before Jesus since Israel is the “first born”. Does this make Israel divine?

    2- Jeremiah 31:9 “I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.” Ephraim is another name for Israel.

    3- Psalm 2:7 “….Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.” Since GOD Almighty chose David to be His begotten Son, does this make David divine too?

    Do you want me to believe that Jesus is God ?! show me the verse where Jesus peace be upon him said “I’m God, worship me “ in fact he never said that, not even a once ?! why ?! because he is not God..

    you’re mistaken, honey..Muslims have many proofs that show Jesus isn’t God..

    Let me give you SOME evidences that shows Jesus is not God..

    Matthew 24:36
    No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, BUT ONLY THE FATHER.

    so if Jesus was God, then why he did not know the hour?! Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only the father knows?

    You may reply back and say, “Jesus has 2 nature, so when he became man, that means he became limited, that why Jesus does not know the Hour”?!

    But wait, there’s the holy spirit who also God !! so the holy spirit as well doesn’t know the hour?! The holy spirit did not become a man so he must know!! But he did not..why?? Because only God knows..and Jesus and the holy spirit aren’t Gods or part of God..

    John 17:3
    Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    So notice how Jesus telling his God “YOU ARE THE ONLY TRUE GOD”, and then he separate himself from the father, So if Jesus is God, why he said to his father “you are the ONLY true God”, so if you say the father is the only true God that means the son is not God …nor the holy spirit is God..but there’s one God..

    John 20:17
    Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and your God.’ ”

    How can God have a God ?!! in fact this verse shows that Jesus isn’t God.

    In the Gospel of Luke Chapter 6, Verse 12…
    “And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.”

    Dose God pray ?! doesn’t make any sense, does it ?!he knows that he is God so why he prays??

    You may reply back and say, “yeah he wants to set an example for us”
    But notice he prayed all night that no one can see him ?!! what example he was setting ?!

    Mark 10:17-21
    17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “GOOD TEACHER,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
    18″WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except GOD ALONE. 19You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.’
    20″TEACHER,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

    So notice Jesus made it crystal clear that GOD IS GOOD, so since he said don’t call me GOOD, so that means he is not GOD..

    So here Jesus denied being Good because only God is good.. so if Jesus is God why did he deny being good?

    So notice here that man stopped calling him good !! so that means the man understood that Jesus doesn’t want to call him good, because only God is good..

    so if Jesus is God, he would easily say to the man. “No man you misunderstood me, you should call me good because I’m God “.. we didn’t see Jesus saying that ..

    in fact there are many proofs in the bible that show Jesus is not God..

    and again son of good doesn’t make him God..

    may God guide us all to the right path.

  3. cindyinsd Says:

    Hello, Nora

    Do you really want me to address all your points? I don’t want to be rude and after all, this is your blog. I guess if I go on too long, you can always delete this.

    First: the dictionary. Honestly, do you think I care what a dictionary has to say about theology? This is an irrelevant point.

    Israel and Ephriam are referred to as God’s son(s). So are all his people. This is not the same thing as being referred to as the “only begotten Son of God.” Psalm 2 is one of the prophetic, messianic Psalms and does not refer to David, but to David’s son, the promised Messiah. Isaiah also spoke of Him and called Him Immanuel, which means “God is with us.”

    Isa 9:6 For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. b
    Isa 9:7 The dominion will be vast, and its prosperity will never end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from now on and forever. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this.

    Do I want you to believe that Jesus is God? Umm, well to be frank, I really don’t care what you believe. I know that God loves and cares for you, but I don’t even know you. Nevertheless, I do love Him, and am glad to have Him use me in any way He likes, so I’ll be happy to talk to you. What you believe is up to you.

    Do you want me to believe that Jesus is not God? Why should you care? Allah leads astray whom he will and leads in the right path whom he will. He is, after all, the chief of schemers and even Mohammed was afraid of being schemed against and not on behalf of. So if Allah wants me, I guess he’ll have me, if he’s really as powerful as he claims to be. As for YHWH, He is not willing that any should perish, but commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel. He not only loves the righteous, but He loves His enemies. He loves sinners. He loves you.

    Well, back to your points . . .

    God the Father Himself says that Jesus is God:

    Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways.
    Heb 1:2 In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things and through whom He made the universe.
    Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of His glory, the exact expression of His nature, and He sustains all things by His powerful word. After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
    Heb 1:4 So He became higher in rank than the angels, just as the name He inherited is superior to theirs.
    Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, You are My Son; today I have become Your Father, or again, I will be His Father, and He will be My Son?
    Heb 1:6 When He again brings His firstborn into the world, He says, And all God’s angels must worship Him.
    Heb 1:7 And about the angels He says: He makes His angels winds, and His servants a fiery flame;
    Heb 1:8 but about the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.
    Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You, rather than Your companions, with the oil of joy.
    Heb 1:10 And: In the beginning, Lord, You established the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands;
    Heb 1:11 they will perish, but You remain. They will all wear out like clothing;
    Heb 1:12 You will roll them up like a cloak, and they will be changed like a robe. But You are the same, and Your years will never end.
    Heb 1:13 Now to which of the angels has He ever said: Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool?
    Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve those who are going to inherit salvation?

    So Jesus and the Holy Spirit chose for some (probably strategic) reason not to know the day nor the hour? Can God know everything? Of course. Does He choose to? Who knows? Does He see every little nuance of the future? If He wishes to, He does.

    Jesus can speak of the Father as “the only true God” because the three, the Father, Son and Spirit, are one. Jesus also told Philip, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father.”

    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
    Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
    Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    The Word of whom John speaks is Jesus. At least, that’s who John intended to speak about–maybe you know better, though.

    As in the Hebrews passage above, quoting another of the messianic Psalms, God the Father calls His Son God. How can God have a God? They are God to one another–the three Who are One. Each loves the others supremely and is loved supremely by the others. It is this society that God has invited us to enter as His children, as the bride of the Son, as the body of Christ. Amazing. “Yes! My answer is Yes!” He has made me glad.

    Jesus prayed all the time. Prayer is simply speaking to God–Jesus spoke to His Father, His God. Do you find this so unusual? Oh yes, and obviously someone saw Him. John, at any rate, must have–that or the Spirit revealed this to him, and now you’ve not only read about it 2000 years later, but reminded me of it. Pretty good example, I’d say. But seriously, did you expect Jesus to not speak to His Father for 32 years?

    Jesus never told the rich young ruler that He was not God, nor did He tell him not to call Him “good”. In fact, though He did not solicit it, Jesus did accept worship whenever it was offered to Him and never rebuked the person worshiping Him. Does this sound to you like an upright man? Would/did Mohammed do this? Jesus accepted this worship because of who He is–God. His question to the young man was intended to elicit a response–to ask whether the youth called Him “good” as a platitude or because he knew who Jesus was. Not because Jesus didn’t know the answer, but so the young ruler would consider what he had said. As to the young ruler’s response, your logic doesn’t really hang together. Jesus asked the question and then moved on. The fact that He didn’t say what you would have said means nothing at all.

    I could go on, but it’s well past midnight here, Nora. May God bless you and may you receive and welcome His blessing,

    Cindy

  4. cindyinsd Says:

    Oops–looks like I messed up on one of my closing tags–sorry about that. I’m sure you can figure it out all right, though. 😉

    Cindy

  5. Nora's Sensation Says:

    Dear Cindy,
    Do you want me to believe that Jesus is not God? Umm, well to be frank, I do care:), because God Almighty is the creator of all things and he deserves to be worshiped alone, with no partners.

    Let me tell you something, In Islam we the Muslims are commanded to believe in Jesus Christ, we are commanded to believe that he was a prophet of God, who was sent to the children of Israel, and that he was given the Gospel . Us Muslims should also believe that Jesus was the messiah, as it is called in the Quran, any Muslim who REJECTS these points will be considered as an UNBELIEVER.

    We the Muslims love Jesus and we respect him a lot, as I said before, anyone who denies the prophet hood of Jesus will be thrown into the hell-fire for eternity. I’m sure that Jesus loves me ? why? Because I believe in him.

    And about your God loves everybody, well I will post an article after couple days about this subject.. to see whether this claim is true or just a myth..

    -“only begotten Son of God.”
    https://norasensation.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/because-god-gave-his-only-begotten-son/

    -“He who has seen Me has seen the Father”
    Please look in the context, the sense of the context is knowing God is seeing God Almighty, in spiritual sense, not a physical sense, if you know God Almighty, you have seen God, otherwise the same gospel it says:
    john 5:37
    37And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

    -“and the Word was God”.
    https://norasensation.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/john-11-and-the-trinity/

    -you said, “Jesus did accept worship whenever it was offered to Him and never rebuked the person worshiping Him”.

    So Prophet Daniel Is God !! Why??
    Daniel was worshipped.
    Daniel did not reject the worship.
    Therefore Daniel is God.

    https://norasensation.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/is-prophet-daniel-god/

    May God guide us if Christianity be the truth, Amen. May God guide us if Islam be the truth, Amen.


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